"Day Brown" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
> deowll wrote:
>> I'm assuming men have their fathers Y chromosomes and those changed from
>> Celtic to largely Germanic so far as can be told in parts of Briton the
>> Anglo Saxons took after they took over. Computer modals have shown how
>> it would work based on the known laws. Mass murder was not required.
>> Since they didn't take over in the other locations and their genes don't
>> predominate there either why bring them up?
> I dunno how you define the Germanic, Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, or other DNA
> markers. The report I got from the DNA Ancestry Project shows markers
> scattered all over hellanback. This is complicated by the fact that some
> people have more than one father.
> Sometimes, more than one sperm gets into an egg. And we know that some
> sperm are fast, while others are durable, just waiting in the fallopian
> tube for egg arrival. So, sperm from more than one donor may be present.
> If all the sperm that get into an egg are XX or XY, nobody notices, but if
> not, then the progeny is XXY, that is, a hermaphrodite. Which is a lot
> more common than people think. I've met two in two different states who
> never met each other. Again, its not something Christian dogma can really
> deal with, so nobody collects the data on how often this happens.
You aren't going to find a human anywhere with 50% more DNA than the norm.
We can barely survive with one extra chromosome so forget the two sperm one
That an extra Chromsome does show up on occasion is due to a mess up in the
production of a sperm or egg.
These people may have other issues but the principal effects are development
of small testicles and reduced fertility.
> But the result is a extremely confusing Y chromosome lineage, with some of
> the markers handed down on some lines while others descend from other
> lines. Then, that mixed set on the Y chromosome is handed down until it
> happens again. Moreover, some 20-25% of the Y chromosomes dont match with
> what the birth records say. Cuckholdry has been around a while.
Very common with some families and not all that common with others. However
you can tell who isn't in the father's line of descent real fast with a
quick genetic test unless they share a male ancestor. Some years back I read
50% for an army base. They didn't share that information they just did the
study. Some other larger studies have come up with less than one in ten for
other groups. The family names and the Y chromsomes matched up pretty darned
> So- I dont think there is a standard set of Y chromosome DNA markers that
> can be characterized as German, Saxon, Celtic, or whatever. I have a
> cluster of markers found more often in Southern England and Wales, another
> set found in New England, and another set which is scattered about in
> France, Basque, Germany, and Denmark, with only one or two in each of
> these regions. This seems to be typical.
In the study I was referring to they were just checking one item. The Y. In
some cases that may not tell you a lot because that Y is widely spread and
has been for a long time but in some cases a marker of more recent origin
is present and it can tell you enough to know that at a certain point in
time great, great, however many time back grandpa was at certain location
and any other Y that is an exact match for his came from one of his
There is a unique marker that was spread by the ruling house of the Mongols.
There is a unique market connect to some body of the 9 hostages and another
of somebody of the 20 hostages I think it was. There are over 1,000,000
males in England with that marker now and most of the males that have last
names that would tie them to this male have his Y.
> Some of the markers date back to the Cro Magnon, while others didnt seem
> to appear until the medieval era. This is consistent with what Gooch has
> to say in "The Neanderthal Legacy" where he argues convincingly that
> Native Europeans are Homo Sapiens/Neanderthal hybrids. He thinks Homo
> Sapiens males mated with Homo Neanderthal females, but the fact is that it
> was the HSS females that had the broader hips and more flexible pelvis,
> which cracks open during birth, who survived the hybridization process.
> And because of the fact more than one Y chromosome line can be in an egg,
> the mismatch in the number of Neanderthal chromosomes dont matter. There
> will be enuf to go around.
There are several flaws here not the least of which is their brain were
bigger than ours. Thus they had to be able to handle large brained babies.
>> If you want to talk about Nordic genes showing up in Scotland and Ireland
>> the answer is they do after a certain time which can be readily
> Oh sure. But remember, women were traded & stolen like livestock also,
> so their markers are also widely spread.
You can still tell that the females of Iceland came mostly from Scottland
while the males were Nordic. It seems somebody must have made a side trip to
pick up a few items on the way to Iceland.
>> Medieval life is a very poor modal for what ever passed for traditional
>> Aryan culture. The religion wasn't Aryan. The cultral practices had
>> little to do with the ancient traditions. The most that can be said was a
>> few wicki were still hiding out trying not to be burned at the stake.
> One source I saw challenges both that position and the written record,
> which, after all, was made by Christian scribes in the pay of either the
> church or the warrior elites. If you recall, the Latin word "pagan" simply
> meant a rural person. Many were too poor to support the tithe and the
> money the church was interested in, and thus left to their own traditions.
If you were to poor to pay the tithe, which came out of your crop off the
top, then you were to poor to reproduce.
The rural poor were what we in the south used to call sharecroppers. Money
doesn't come into it.
> I forget the name of the village, but one English Midlands village was so
> small and so out of the way that none of the armies that swept across
> England ever came by to burn the recoreds. Which date to the 12th century.
> Where we see it was owned by an abbey. The.abbot came by once a year to
> hold "lord's court' and collect taxes. Which were never used to support a
> priest or build a church. The record includes pagan "year and a day"
> marriage contracts which the abbot recognized because he got a cut when
> the accounts were settled up. There was a fee for marriage, which he
> rarely collected on. The villagers were 'Christian' in name only, still
> living as they always had with witches brewing their ale.
The brewer brewed the ale. An honerable profession and the source of many a
Normally the records are in the church and the smaller churchs were one
You must be talking about a very small hamlet
I suspect the marriages were pagan because the Priest wasn't around to marry
This is a unique rather than a normal situation due to isolation and the
protection of the Abby which was the landowner and collected the tithe and
the tax nor am I at all convinced that these people were living as people
had a thousand or more years before. For one thing the list of crops grown
by the Saxons was seriously lame. The social orgainzation of the past would
have called for a chieftan to act as the local strongman and if such died,
been killed, whatever, another would have grabbed power. In this case the
abby held the power but seemed to be in some part willing to not use it
though they obvious were collecting some rents.
> Gimbutas makes this point noting how the Baltic nations, whose rural areas
> were never completely Christianized, retained their pagan myth and
> folkways under the Communists, who were only interested in repressing the
> church, so she was able in the mid 20th century to interview remote
> villages and thereby learned to interpret both Indo-European root words
> and folk art and iconography. That iconography dated back 7000 years in SE
Yes in the most isloated locations where people were barely scratching out a
lively hood you could sometimes pick up traces of what had gone before along
no doubt with a lot of misinformation but if you think these locations had
ever been where that culture flowered or at the center of their culture you
are mistaken nor was much actually left. People sometimes made offering at
the springs and bogs, practiced a little magic and such. A few people still
do. Knock on wood if you can find any. The old timers told fablous tales of
mythic heroes and the mid-wives and herbialists still practiced a little
magic but few knew much if anything about the ancient gods or took part in
the larger festivals connected with the changing of the seasons except under
the watchful eye of the local church for so long that even the removal of
the Priests weren't going to restore the past.
> Similarly, ethnobotanist Wasson interviewed shamen in the boonies of
> Finland and the Urals in his effort to rediscover the recipe of Soma, the
> famous ARyan & Vedic potion. Ugarit shamen were still making it.
I'm sure they were still making something. I'd be shocked if they had access
to the same list of ingrediants that were used in India.
> This kind of work is way off the beaten track, far away from the events
> recorded in the great power centers and totally unrelated to the power
> struggles that went on among the elites. As such, it was utterly ignored
> by historians.
They had other fish to fry and much of this wasn't history at least not
until somebody wrote it down then you actually needed some archeology, etc.
to try and sort out how much fact might be mixed in with the myths and sort
out the purely local from that which might have once be wide spread.
>>> Its hard to sort out the PR from the warrior elites, which is what most
>>> of the written record is, from the reality of the peasantry. Pandemics
>>> hit the warrior elites much harder, living in their manor halls and
>>> castles than they did the peasants, living in self quarantine, who only
>>> saw the Lord on the day of annual tax collection.
>> Again I think you are confabulating later practices for what went on when
>> the culture was much less urban, the population much less dense and
>> traditional Aryan cultural values, religious practices, and life styles
>> still held some sway.
> There is a lot more confusion in the data from the digs and the oral
> traditions that were handed down or incorporated into the Christian
> 'saintly lives'. In The AGe of Stonehenge, Burgess writes of the wide
> variety of burial customs, which are so indicative of a culture. Those in
> Europe, as of the Anglo-Saxons, for instance, were never widely and
> suddenly introduced.
> Some regions mite use a particular 'beaker' for cremations for 1000 years
> or more, while others were never consistent, with inhumation in the same
> era as cremation, or when one or the other was laid to rest on top of
> earlier styles, or even sometimes dug up and refilled with later style
> burials. A lot of the defensive trenches were also filled in with graves,
> as if the defensive works were no longer needed. He also mentions how
> sometimes they find isolated farmhouses with no indication defensive works
> had ever been in place. Its really confusing to figure out what was going
> on in most areas.
Some things are destined to remain a mystery.