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Day Brown
2009-03-28 22:19:52 UTC
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In her last work, "The Living Goddesses" Gimbutas reports on the
discovery of chalcolithic temples, some two stories, which were found
with the second merely collapsing onto the first.

Which preserved some artifacts in situ, intact. In "The Goddesses and
Gods of Old Europe" she also reports on the single story temple at
Sabatinovka, another case where the roof fell in.

And in that volume, she also comments on the stipulated invasion of the
Kurgans or Aryans, rejecting that as a reasonable scenario since it took
hundreds of years to entirely displace the indigenous agrarian
communities. A snail invading from the Ukraine on the way to the Danube
would have been faster.

She died before the Anthrax scare hit the USA, or she mite've put it
together. Lets start with the standard Aryan warrior procedure: rape,
pillage, and burn. In that order. Yet we find these abandoned sites
which were never pillaged, and never burnt. Even if the warriors found
the community abandoned, pyromania is such an integral part of their
psychology that the temples still standing would have been burned...
after going thru first to collect anything they found worthy and then
shattering the rest.

But they didnt do that, so they were not there. The whole region was
abandoned, at least long enuf for these structures to collapse. Which in
the case of timber frame, takes 30 years. The only thing that would have
kept warriors and everyone else out of the area is... anthrax.

And, all this shows up in the same era the domesticated horse, a well
known carrier, is introduced. On the Steppes, tribes moved on, leaving
an anthrax area behind, occupied only by those species that had a good
immune response in the DNA.

Which, I think could be looked for today, and would be helpful in
outlining who or what lived where when. We know also the Steppe
populations boomed and crashed. Anthrax will do that too, and drive huge
masses, as they did with Atilla, out of the area. So long as an area was
not used for 25 years, then the anthrax spores would die out and it'd be
safe to use again. But if the numbers are too large to avoid it, then it
just takes off again.
Strabo
2009-05-05 23:54:03 UTC
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In her last work, "The Living Goddesses" Gimbutas reports on the
discovery of chalcolithic temples, some two stories, which were found
with the second merely collapsing onto the first.
Which preserved some artifacts in situ, intact. In "The Goddesses and
Gods of Old Europe" she also reports on the single story temple at
Sabatinovka, another case where the roof fell in.
And in that volume, she also comments on the stipulated invasion of the
Kurgans or Aryans, rejecting that as a reasonable scenario since it took
hundreds of years to entirely displace the indigenous agrarian
communities. A snail invading from the Ukraine on the way to the Danube
would have been faster.
She died before the Anthrax scare hit the USA, or she mite've put it
together. Lets start with the standard Aryan warrior procedure: rape,
pillage, and burn. In that order. Yet we find these abandoned sites
which were never pillaged, and never burnt. Even if the warriors found
the community abandoned, pyromania is such an integral part of their
psychology that the temples still standing would have been burned...
after going thru first to collect anything they found worthy and then
shattering the rest.
But they didnt do that, so they were not there. The whole region was
abandoned, at least long enuf for these structures to collapse. Which in
the case of timber frame, takes 30 years. The only thing that would have
kept warriors and everyone else out of the area is... anthrax.
And, all this shows up in the same era the domesticated horse, a well
known carrier, is introduced. On the Steppes, tribes moved on, leaving
an anthrax area behind, occupied only by those species that had a good
immune response in the DNA.
Which, I think could be looked for today, and would be helpful in
outlining who or what lived where when. We know also the Steppe
populations boomed and crashed. Anthrax will do that too, and drive huge
masses, as they did with Atilla, out of the area. So long as an area was
not used for 25 years, then the anthrax spores would die out and it'd be
safe to use again. But if the numbers are too large to avoid it, then it
just takes off again.
!. "Rape, pillage, and burn" was no more the practice for
the "standard Aryan warrior" than for other tribal cultures.
Traditionally, Aryans were herdsmen and traders with roots
in northern Europe and the Near East.

The Vikings for example were horticulturalists and fishers and
a peaceable people for centuries when climate change and population
increases prompted their expansion to new shores. This brought about
a cultural adaptation.

2. Anthrax spores are ever present in the soil. Animals develop
degrees of immunity. Concentration of bacilli, weather and
and previous exposure determines virulence and spread. Anthrax
fatality is about 15%. Is this sufficient to move masses of people?

3. The historic movement of populations from the Steppes into Europe
was fueled by climatic changes and increased population density.

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